Anony Mous

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  My Beliefs After Leaving the Watchtower

  by KalebOutWest in

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  2. beliefs

  i tend to keep my personal beliefs separate from my posts.. i know that is often different from others as their posts as often one and the same with their opinions.

  i think that is good.

  you get to learn a lot about people that way.

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  The JW theology is definitely anti-Semitic, or at least it was when I was young. They kind of went away from the hardcore beliefs, but the early WT was definitely anti-Jewish (look up Rutherford’s Declaration of Facts or the Life book).

  The old publications had sentences as late as 1946 that blamed Jews for the Holocaust (for rejecting Christ), that was later revised in the 1950s re-releases of Watchtower but still many JWs today believe this and other anti-Semitic tropes.

  Even today, their website says that there is no scriptural support for political Zionism, but we are completely neutral on the subject (after saying it is against scripture). As with all the other double speak, there is a message there for JWs and for the world, and they’re different. There is another article on JW.org that basically says they are ‘the chosen people’ and thus “spiritually” JWs are the real Jews because they rejected Jesus. This is both an anti-Semitic trope and is similar to Black Hebrew movement that is an anti-Semitic group that claims black people are the real Jews and therefore modern Jews have no claims to either heritage or land. In modern times, JW don’t go quite that far in writing, but it seems implied.
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  What you cannot say about JW parents

  by Anony Mous in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i’m guiding a young person through some difficulties.

  at least some of the family including a parent and grandparents are/were jw.

  so there are some insecurities, without going into detail, young people are often worried that they may be ejected from the home after reaching a certain age if they offend their parents (totally normal feeling).. what i wanted to say is: a loving parent wouldn’t reject you because you did x, if anything they are expecting it, it is totally normal for you to do this.

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  @joe134cd: I think the older you get, the more bitter you are at all the wasted opportunities and at all the lives you damaged. When you are young you still get a chance at life. The earlier you get out the better, sadly not a choice that is easy to make. I've tried twice to leave 'everything' behind, and I did leave, but you cannot outrun your past.

  I've seen many young adults and children end their life or killed, homeless or jailed because the result of JW policy leading to despair and substance abuse. I can't even count the number anymore, but I can tell you it is dozens that I am personally aware of.

  I was a third generation JW, I remained "in" for a bit too long to be blameless, but I have high hopes it ends with me. If you are reading this and you are not sure whether to stay or go - leave now before you regret it - you can live without parents, you can live without family, without congregation.

  If you are still active, do you really want to push people into this direction? When I was 14 I was so happy I had a 'study' with another youngster, child of a mom who wanted to be baptized. The JW pulled that family apart, the dad was not the greatest person, but despite that, they were a family. My family studied with the mom, I with the kid, she kicked his dad out for not continuing to get baptized, I pushed the kid to have his mom destroy his Metallica, AC/DC and Death Metal collection (it had skulls and pentagrams), the kid committed suicide soon after. Do you believe children of suicide would get resurrected? I was going to make it through Armageddon, because I had a study, I did my best, people that commit suicide are not worthy of our grief. His name was Thomas, we called him Thomas the Unbeliever afterwards (translation of Thomas the Doubter from my native language). I went on the stage at the assembly and told everyone about the success I had with my study, getting him to destroy his collection of Satanic music. That is who we are as JW. Despicable.
  

  The world (in every sense of the word) is a wonderful place, people are good. You may think you are guilty when you leave other adults behind, but that is their choice, you will not be able to live with the guilt once you find your child is damaged, hurt or lost.
  
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  "instructions that aren't sound by a human standpoint"

  by mikeflood in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what could be "an instruction not sound by a human standpoint"?.

  i'm going by dissolving their legal entities...any guesses?.

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  Hmm lets see:

  let your children die over blood transfusions

  kidnap children from their parent(s) when they become disfellowshipped or apostate

  commit parental and adoptive fraud to keep children away from unbelieving parents

  hide child abuse from authorities

  mothers must die with their babies in case of ectopic pregnancy over getting a d&c

  Those are all instructions I know people have received from elders, CO and branch offices, whether direct or implied. Those things alone are unnatural and heinous, many of them are crimes with long punishments because they are not related to free choices like adults can make.
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  What you cannot say about JW parents

  by Anony Mous in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i’m guiding a young person through some difficulties.

  at least some of the family including a parent and grandparents are/were jw.

  so there are some insecurities, without going into detail, young people are often worried that they may be ejected from the home after reaching a certain age if they offend their parents (totally normal feeling).. what i wanted to say is: a loving parent wouldn’t reject you because you did x, if anything they are expecting it, it is totally normal for you to do this.

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  I’m guiding a young person through some difficulties. At least some of the family including a parent and grandparents are/were JW. So there are some insecurities, without going into detail, young people are often worried that they may be ejected from the home after reaching a certain age if they offend their parents (totally normal feeling).

  What I wanted to say is: a loving parent wouldn’t reject you because you did x, if anything they are expecting it, it is totally normal for you to do this. And this isn’t a religious issue, obviously there is a background of and has been influenced by but not an uncommon issue even for “worldly” people.

  And then I had to delete that response because even if they aren’t completely active but they want to stay in the good graces of either family or congregation, then no, that does not apply, especially if they find out it is related to people like me that are critical of the JW.

  And that is almost exclusive to the JW cult. And it makes me sad that this person also realized it despite rarely having been to a meeting, even parental love is completely conditional. And it makes me angry that so too I was raised and few people understand that feeling of rejection from the people that are supposed to be there for you.
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  2025**01**15**Ages For Ministerial Servants and Elders!

  by Atlantis in

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  2. friends

  2025-01-15-ages for ministerial servants and elders.. see page 2. .

  https://pdfupload.io/docs/1b0b5c00 .

  https://imgbox.com/p3a9yjmr.

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  Get em young. I don’t know any “mature” 18 year old, and I work with hundreds of them. Hell, 21 year old and I don’t know if I would’ve considered myself elder material.
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  What Theme Song Should Be Played When You Walk Into a Room?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  2. friends

  this could fun.

  what song should be played when you walk into a room that best describes you?

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  https://youtu.be/-bzWSJG93P8?si=SgO7H3mXTz36qzFd
  
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  News of fires out of control in California

  by ballistic in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hope everyone near to the region affected in california is ok. it's shocking to hear of the destruction.

  these affected areas are some of the places i visited when i came on a tour of the us.

  malibu, santa barbera, la, santa monica, hollywood and so on..

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  @Riley: The budget was not cut though. They spent it on having gay fire chiefs that were so fat, they admitted they were not fit to carry someone out of a burning house, and if that were the case then people had put themselves in that situation.

  Perhaps you should look into it, massive reservoirs intended to provide water for houses had been drained in the ocean for no proven ecological benefit and in those areas homeowners were sued and fined for trimming trees by the state to appease a few treehugger associations. There hadn't been controlled burns in 3 years because global warming, Newsom even prevented Trump from providing federal water resources for the state when he was still in office.

  This could've been prevented by cutting taxes and regulation and letting people and communities deal with their own tree and forest management instead of having it held up, in some places, since Newsom got into office.
  
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  Do children still get destroyed at Armageddon?

  by Anony Mous in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i know back in the day, that was taught, that if the parents were going to be destroyed, so would the children.

  i just can't easily find reference to anything.

  this thinking has been used to justify some egregious behavior towards children and their parents such as exclusion of children from jw family - why worry, the end is near, all will work itself out then - the end didn't come though.

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  So they’re getting closer to the Christian message of salvation is for everyone.
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  The abuse of JW org

  by wozza in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  awhile ago i said on here i would like to show how wrong the jehovahs witness organisation is , in that they will not accept the testimony of a victim of sexual crime where the victim has no other witnesses to the crime.

  i faced this with helping my ex wife for about 15 years in exposing her father , an elder, to the jw org.

  his raping of her over years and they believed him.. so therefore the perpetrator knowing of the organisations stance can easily deny and therefore be free to pretend to serve as an innocent jw still mixing with the congregation ,and also i have witnessed an accused perpetrator of child molestation witnessing at my next door neighbors house in field service with a child of another family even though the elders knew of the accusations against him.

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  @Kerry: we were talking about children but since you brought it up - 80% of contested family court cases include the allegation of abuse through a request for protection on the side of the female, only 5% of those prove to be substantiated sufficiently that it is further investigated.

  These allegations are ‘standard language’ as they predispose the court towards the female when it comes to custody - basically, they are often used to exclude the father for months or years while the case is ongoing, and then the best interest of the child is often to maintain the status quo because it has been too long (9-24 months is typical) and the relationship is broken despite the fact that all this was legal footwork.

  I agree with your statement about the EU becoming even more of a hellhole third world country because of mass immigration.

  But third wave feminism and easy birth control has caused a lot of the problems women face today. If you accuse someone over a bad one night stand, then all other accusations become less believable as well. The problem starts with the choice to have serial one night stands with random strangers, it is not empowerment, you are objectifying yourself and men.
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  The Greeks had a word for it, but the Watchtower didn't

  by Nathan Natas in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i recall as though it was only 60 years ago, sitting in the kingdom hall on those horrible chairs, learning of the four forms of love: agape, philia, storge and eros.. the watchtower never mentioned pragma.. pragma: this is a committed, compassionate love that often grows as two partners continue to cherish and care for each other.

  this type of love is associated with being together for a long time.

  in some cases, the passion of eros can grow into pragma over time, this forging a lasting bond.. i think i know why; the watchtower isn't into committed, compassionate, cherishing and caring, are they?.

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  @blondie: In the time of the Internet, the WTBTS has been frequently corrected and ridiculed for their archaic interpretation of both Hebrew and Greek text. A lot of what the modern WTBTS uses for 'research' is still the work from Franz-and-co in the 1950s-1970s when they were honestly busy with 'biblical research' and collected source material into large libraries, but time moves on, new things are discovered and they keep going back to the same dated topics and sources, many of which have been corrected.

  Now all those databases are searchable with a few keystrokes and you can't just reference a single article or scientific journal, you are mandated to reference dozens, often contradictory and distill something useful out of them.
  

  It is also a gateway for people 'doing their own research' into topics that are deeply religious and where the WTBTS is simply insufficient in their explanations.